Growing up in Hawaii's melting pot

Mike Daniels 0:00

Growing up in Hawaii , I can say that I've met a lot of different cultures from all over the world , because it is a melting pot and it's really possible for people to live together in peace .

Crista Cowan 0:14

Stories that Live In Us is a podcast that inspires you to form deep connections with your family , past , present and future . I'm Crista Cowan , known online as The Barefoot Genealogist . Counting down to the upcoming celebration of America's 250th birthday , you'll meet families from each state whose stories are woven into the very fabric of America Tales of immigration , migration , courage and community that remind us that when we tell our stories , we strengthen the bonds that connect us . So join me for season two as we discover , from sea to shining sea , the stories that live in us .

Crista Cowan 0:55

Back in 1976 , the summer , I was four years old . I wasn't even four years old , I was three . That summer , I hadn't turned four , yet the United States celebrated our 200th anniversary of becoming a country . Now , my memories from that summer are a little sketchy . Here's what I remember . I remember that my mother made me a red , white and blue dress that I just felt beautiful in , and it had a twirly skirt . She also made my brother and sister , who were twins and were not quite a year old , matching little outfits , and then she made herself a matching dress and my dad a matching tie , and that was part of our summer wear . That summer , I remember that we went to Disneyland on the 4th of July 1976 , with the rest of the country . I have never , in all of my years going to Disneyland , seen so many people there , and I remember that my mom lost her wedding ring that day and it was a pretty traumatic thing for her and so , therefore , for me , for me . So I have these weird little memories burned into my brain of the bicentennial celebration of America from when I was a kid .

Crista Cowan 2:11

And now here we are , coming up on July 4th 2026 , where we will celebrate America 250 . That's what it's being called everywhere , and so I wanted to bring you stories from every state , because place is a character in story , and so as we tell our family stories , we often root them in a place . Whether that place is a state or a farm or a home or a ship , that place becomes a character . So for the next 50 weeks , states are going to become characters in our stories . My first story is the first state we're going to talk about , but it was the last state admitted to the union , and that's how we're going to do this , in reverse order of how they became states . And that's how we're going to do this , in reverse order of how they became states . So today we are talking about the state of Hawaii .

Crista Cowan 3:07

My guest is a dear friend . His name is Mike Daniels . We worked together here at Ancestry back at the very beginning of my career here , and at the time he was also the mayor of the little town Pleasant Grove that I live in , and so he and I have had opportunities in the couple of decades since he left Ancestry to continually interact with each other within our community . He was raised in Hawaii , has family and businesses still in Hawaii , and so his connection to that place is very much a part of his

Mike's Hawaiian family roots

Crista Cowan 3:42

family story . I hope you'll enjoy my conversation with Mike Daniels . How long ago was it that we worked together ?

Mike Daniels 3:48

Oh my gosh , it's been about 20 , 18 to 20 years .

Crista Cowan 3:52

Yeah , I mean , I've been here at Ancestry for 21 years . I was shortly after that , so wow , but I do still see you around Pleasant Grove All community .

Crista Cowan 4:01

Which is kind of fun . As a matter of fact , I think even when I worked with you , like you were at the mayor the first time at the time , that's true . So , yeah , I love that we come from this small community and it's a community that I have deep roots in . Yeah , even though I was raised in California , my grandmother on my dad's side , her mom , was born in Pleasant Grove . Oh really .

Mike Daniels 4:24

Yeah .

Crista Cowan 4:25

And so the fact that I live there now has always been kind of a fun connection for me Well simple . Yeah , but I love that I have that connection with you , but , as your shirt so proudly proclaims , you are not originally from Pleasant Grove , where were you born and raised ?

Mike Daniels 4:40

So I was born in Boston or Chelsea , massachusetts , and we zigzagged around the US because my dad was in the military , which just happened to be there at the time , and then we moved to Hawaii and I turned four .

Crista Cowan 4:51

Oh , okay , well , there you go , but your mom was from Hawaii .

Mike Daniels 4:54

My mother is from the north side of the Big Island called Kohala .

Crista Cowan 4:59

Okay , Very cool . Now when you worked here at Ancestry , you and I did some family history digging we did On your dad's side and tell me what you knew before , or if you remember what we knew before we dug into that I knew very little .

Mike Daniels 5:12

It was really hard to find information on my Jewish side of the family . It's just it was gone . You know , and as much research as I did , and I had friends that were really good at genealogy . They'd take me up and say I found a whole book and we'd go through there . We'd be there three hours nothing nothing . And then you know you started talking about my history and I was like maybe you can help me .

Crista Cowan 5:35

Yeah , yeah , love that . So tell us about your dad , like , do you remember , like what stories he told you growing up or what you knew about his parents as you were growing up ?

Mike Daniels 5:46

Yeah , so it's a very interesting story . My dad was born in Boston , and at age six , my grandfather and his brother so my granduncle they got hit by a train while they were running their truck . It got stuck on the tracks and they were instantly killed , and so my grandmother became a single mom of two and yeah my dad at 16 decided he wanted to go see the world from a porthole , so he volunteered for the for World War II .

Crista Cowan 6:15

And was he in the Navy ?

Mike Daniels 6:16

He was Okay , yeah , he was in the Navy .

Crista Cowan 6:18

Okay , and then he ended up in Hawaii . Yeah .

Mike Daniels 6:23

So after that he was stationed in different places and they transferred him to Honolulu , where he went to the beach one day and met my mother on the beach what ? And he went up to her and said hey , you look like you could use some swimming lessons . And she slapped him . Oh , and here we are .

Crista Cowan 6:43

That's amazing . How long after the war was that ?

Mike Daniels 6:45

Oh my goodness . In the 50s .

Crista Cowan 6:48

Okay .

Mike Daniels 6:49

Mid-50s .

Crista Cowan 6:50

I love that . And then your mom , but her parents are not from Hawaii .

Mike Daniels 6:54

No , Both parents immigrated from Japan during the time when Hawaii was looking for sugarcane workers , and so Grandpa came first . He wasn't married . And then , after being here for a while , he bought a picture , bride , and she did the same on her end . So they met the first day on the docks in Honolulu and then they got married in a mass wedding that afternoon .

Crista Cowan 7:19

What I've heard stories of picture brides but I didn't realize it was that fast yeah for that one it was . Wow , I've heard stories of picture breads but I didn't realize it was that fast . Yeah for that one .

Mike Daniels 7:27

it was Wow . Did you know either of ?

Crista Cowan 7:28

them ? No , I never got to meet them . Do you know about how old your mom was when they passed ?

Mike Daniels 7:31

It was within four years of when I was born . Okay .

Crista Cowan 7:33

Yeah , and did your mom ever talk about them or tell stories about them ? Lots of stories .

Mike Daniels 7:38

Yeah , my grandmother had 13 children , 11 of them lived . She was number 12 out of 13 . And so I asked her you know , hey , did your parents love each other ? I mean , they just got buried right off the boat and she said they learned to love each other . She'd asked her that question and her mom said you learned to love each other .

Crista Cowan 8:03

Very interesting story . Yeah , wow . And so you didn't know those grandparents , but your mom shared stories . When did they like ? Did they immediately move to the Big Island after they got married ? Was that a ?

Mike Daniels 8:15

He was already living there .

Crista Cowan 8:17

Got it .

Mike Daniels 8:17

And they just came over to meet their brides .

Crista Cowan 8:19

Got it , because that's where the port was . Okay yeah , did all of your mom's siblings live in Hawaii , or did they scatter ?

Mike Daniels 8:24

Yes , no , they . In fact they ended up living next door to each other in some cases .

Crista Cowan 8:28

I love that yeah .

Mike Daniels 8:29

So when we had a family gathering just the family , it was 50 people or more .

Crista Cowan 8:33

Yeah , yeah , I love that After , so your .

Picture brides and cultural tensions

Mike Daniels 8:49

My dad because he's a Caucasian and he's pure Japanese and you know , the whole thing with the war just didn't go too well . But one day he decided to have a sake drinking contest with grandpa and he held his own , and so grandpa started to respect him because of that . Then he'd take him to the baseball games and they'd eat peanuts and he loved that . So they got along .

Crista Cowan 9:12

So grandpa warmed up to your dad . Did grandma also have an issue with your dad ?

Mike Daniels 9:16

We don't really have that part of the story . Okay , I'm not sure we really ever discussed that or if it was brought up , but she died right about that time , you know , when they got married and everything she , she was gone .

Crista Cowan 9:29

How hard for your mom yeah , very hard To like be starting a new family and not have her mother . Yeah , yeah , did her older sisters compensate ?

Mike Daniels 9:38

Yep , yeah , they did .

Crista Cowan 9:40

The aunts .

Mike Daniels 9:40

That's why we would get together and have parties . Got it . It could be in more , okay , yeah .

Crista Cowan 9:45

That's so . Yeah , I think one of the benefits of large families is there's always someone there to compensate for stuff and , like you , only had six kids , but I was raised in a family of five children . There's still some of that , even going on today , now that we're adults , which I think is one of the important things about big families .

Mike Daniels 10:03

So in Hawaii for years there's been that cultural unrest , and then the war and everything caused a lot of difficulties and I was always wondering what would be the catalyst for bridging that gap , especially between tourists and local people that felt very strongly that Hawaii should be for Hawaiians only . And then I started to notice that if anybody is older than you , the people that were younger would call them either uncle or auntie , and they started doing that with me , uncle , auntie . And then we went to a luau with some friends and the people that were younger would call them either uncle or auntie , and they started doing that with me , uncle , auntie . And then we went to a luau with some friends and the people that were putting it on said the rest of us are all cousins . So everybody , everybody , you're all cousins . So it became very natural and easy , a very easy way to kind of get over something like that , yeah , and that's it goes from being just your aunties to they are the aunties for everyone .

Mike Daniels 10:55

Everyone is an auntie or an uncle .

Crista Cowan 10:57

I love that . I want to be everybody's auntie .

Mike Daniels 11:00

Yes .

Crista Cowan 11:02

Talk to me about . Did you always live , did you move to the Big Island or did you live elsewhere in Hawaii ?

Mike Daniels 11:07

No , I've , we've only . I only remember living on Oahu .

Crista Cowan 11:10

Okay , yeah , and that's the only place when on .

Mike Daniels 11:12

Oahu . So we started in Waipahu , which is a town out to the west and south or north of Honolulu , and then we relocated into Pearl City and then finally over into Kailua .

Crista Cowan 11:25

Okay .

Mike Daniels 11:25

Yeah , which is a really nice town . Is it , and then we ended up in Kaneohe .

Crista Cowan 11:31

Kailua is where one of your theaters is . Yes , yeah , I remember . I've been to Hawaii twice and on one of my trips to Hawaii I distinctly remember we're just driving randomly down this road and I see Water Garden Theater and I said to my parents stop the car . I have to take a picture and text it to Mike .

Mike Daniels 11:47

Yeah .

Crista Cowan 11:48

Because that was a fun connection to make . I love that you still have a connection to that place . Talk to me about growing up like not just growing up Hawaiian and what that means to you , but also like what your connection was with your family that was still there , Such a big family Like . What did that look like ?

Mike Daniels 12:04

So all the big holidays were spent together , and that's how the family grew and grew and , like I said , we had maybe 50 people or more when we got together for a family dinner , but like Thanksgiving , for example , somebody would cook the turkey , somebody would cook the ham , and then there were all these other foods from all the different cultures that were brought in by all of the people that had married into the family , and so that was a smorgasbord and just a delight .

Crista Cowan 12:29

Yeah .

Mike Daniels 12:30

All the different flavors .

Crista Cowan 12:31

How many ? Do you know how many first cousins you have ?

Mike Daniels 12:33

Just a delight . Yeah , all the different flavors . How many ? Do you know how many first cousins you have ? Oh , I don't . You never counted . No , I know it's more than 10 . Right .

Crista Cowan 12:41

But you mentioned the different cultures that married in Like . What did that look like ?

Mike Daniels 12:46

So it's a really interesting thing . Back during the war of course you know United States , japan they were not exactly friendly with one another , and so my mom and dad were . That was almost a taboo marriage and that was hard on the family and on my mom . But since the grandparents passed away and the generations moved on all of the rest of the siblings that were older , after someone passed away their spouses , they would remarry and it would either be a Caucasian or someone from a different race . So it was pretty cool .

Crista Cowan 13:19

That is interesting , yeah , and it's interesting because you think , like

Living in Hawaii's multicultural communities

Crista Cowan 13:24

Hawaii has had such a huge Japanese population for so long , yeah , and the United States didn't . You know , hawaii wasn't admitted to the Union until 1959 , like long after the war . And so there's still like , yeah , that cultural tension .

Mike Daniels 13:38

Oh yeah .

Crista Cowan 13:38

Right , and did that exist even still when you were growing up ?

Mike Daniels 13:41

It was actually harder when I was growing up . You could end up in a fistfight for no reason , just you know . Somebody looked at you the wrong way . You looked at them and next thing you know you're out on the field duking it out . That happened to me a couple of times .

Crista Cowan 13:56

Oh , wow , wow . And that's was the tension , primarily like Japanese and Caucasian or with the new .

Mike Daniels 14:03

Hawaiians yeah , not just Japanese . All the cultures . And there was a pecking order to the cultures , you know . Some were accepted , some weren't . It depended on how long the generations they'd been there . So I kind of grew up through that whole phase . And it was still , even when I was young . I remember the mother of this girl that I like said date your own kind , you know and I thought oh okay , that's interesting . So , but that was then , and things have really changed since then . I've noticed many more interracial couples that have married .

Crista Cowan 14:37

Well , and I suppose that probably affects the cultural shift as well , because now we're family , yeah , and that changes everything Right inside the family .

Crista Cowan 14:45

Yeah , yeah , yeah , interesting . That's fascinating to me because I like , I mean I know a little bit about your Jewish background , me because I like I mean I know a little bit about your Jewish background . I do a lot of Jewish family history research and there's such a closed community among Jews . Typically right , like Jewish people marry other Jewish people and have for centuries , and because it's such an ethno religion , you end up with this really closed community . But for your father to step out of that and for your mother to step out of that on the Japanese side , that was really brave of them Brave .

Crista Cowan 15:14

Yeah , and did they stay married ?

Mike Daniels 15:17

Yeah , they were married until they both died .

Crista Cowan 15:20

And lived in Hawaii the whole time .

Mike Daniels 15:21

Lived in Hawaii the whole time .

Crista Cowan 15:22

Good for them . Good for them . What is like if you could look to their relationship .

Mike Daniels 15:27

What's like one lesson you learned you learned Well again , I learned that you know if you really love the person that you're with and that's where you're grounded , that you can get past pretty much any trial or any disagreement . Back then it was you know parents go in the back room , close , lock the door and then they go to another room , lock the door and that's where they have their discussion . No fighting outside of that room . It was always private .

Mike Daniels 15:57

And then typically they'd open the door and come out and dad would say I have a different opinion now .

Crista Cowan 16:03

Oh good .

Mike Daniels 16:03

Yeah .

Crista Cowan 16:06

If , how would you ? How would you describe their demeanor ?

Mike Daniels 16:09

Oh , mom was , she was a very thinking person , she was . She was always up here and I think she was the . She was more of the intellectual that you know , kind of read other people and read situations and I learned a lot from her .

Mike Daniels 16:25

You know about how to interact with people , how to just ignore something that's going on right in front of you without judging it , without looking like you're judging it , just let it go . And Dad , on the other hand , was just like thin your face , you know , I think a lot of that came from his military background , but if he saw a problem he was right there .

Crista Cowan 16:44

So you then ? You went to school in Hawaii for a year or two , didn't you ?

Mike Daniels 16:49

Oh , I went to . Oh , you mean for college ? For college , yeah , yeah , I did two years , okay , BYU-Hawaii .

Crista Cowan 16:54

And then I came up here and did you meet Jane here .

Mike Daniels 17:00

I met Jane there . Oh , she was on a semester program in 1979 . And we made full use of that semester .

Crista Cowan 17:07

Oh , I love that , yeah .

Mike Daniels 17:07

And then I left on an LDS mission for two years . Where'd you serve Montreal , canada , french speaking ? That's kind of french-speaking that's a cold cultural yes it is , yes , very much so , but the second largest jewish community outside

A cross-cultural romance begins

Mike Daniels 17:19

of israel . Yeah , so the the story with jane is actually it's a whole romantic thing oh , tell me everything , okay , I don't know .

Mike Daniels 17:25

I've ever heard this . I I woke up one morning and I decided I'm gonna go to the library and study . I've never been to the library . When did I ever go to the library and study ? And you were how old 18 at the time .

Crista Cowan 17:38

Okay , and you're at BYU-Hawaii , byu-hawaii Okay .

Mike Daniels 17:41

And I opened up those library doors and I looked in and all I saw was Jane sitting on the other side of a very large desk and she was studying . And I literally , literally backed out of the room and just caught my breath . And then I just went in , sat right across from her , put my hands on my , on my fists , my head on my fists , and and she finally looked up and said can I help you ? It's kind of a little irritated . And so I said hey , uh , do you know French ? She says I do speak a little French , can ?

Mike Daniels 18:12

you tutor me , and then we had our first date at the ceramic studio that Thursday .

Crista Cowan 18:18

I love that . That's amazing , and was she from there as well ?

Mike Daniels 18:21

No , where was she from ? Jane was born in Okinawa , okay , and raised in like New York and Chicago .

Crista Cowan 18:26

Oh , okay , yeah so .

Mike Daniels 18:28

Both half Japanese , both half Caucasian , both military fathers , both Japanese moms , both raised with the culture and everything else .

Crista Cowan 18:39

But you didn't know that when you saw her .

Mike Daniels 18:39

No , I just looked at her and I just I love this girl . She just looks gorgeous .

Crista Cowan 18:45

And how long did it take you to convince her to love you back ? Four years , okay .

Mike Daniels 18:50

Yeah , we dated before the mission just for that one semester and kept in touch a little bit on the mission and then kind of fell apart , but at the end writing again . And then when I got home we saw each other once . That's another romantic story . It was I'd been home two weeks and she was flying back with her mom from a trip through asia , and so they were in the international lockdown inside the airport and I was on the outside this is when you could go up to the gate without a you know , without a ticket .

Mike Daniels 19:17

so I'm standing on the outside . This is when you could go up to the gate without a ticket . So I'm standing on the outside of this thing and she's on the inside . We both found cardboard and we were writing notes to each other , holding them up to the window , and the people on the other side are , you know , oh , and her mom's , in the background . And so I bribed the security guard and I said look , I haven't seen this girl in two years . Can I just like give her a hug ? And so he looked around .

Mike Daniels 19:38

He blew that her out , we gave a big hug , we kissed . It was a really long kiss for , you know , not having dated too much yeah .

Crista Cowan 19:47

That's amazing . That is a great story . I love that . And so you guys got married . What year ?

Mike Daniels 19:53

83 .

Crista Cowan 19:54

You've been married for a minute . Yeah , yeah . Did you ever go back to Hawaii to live ?

Mike Daniels 19:58

He's been married for a minute . Yeah , yeah . Did you ever go back to Hawaii to ? Live , not to live , but we've been back many times .

Crista Cowan 20:02

Yeah , and I had a sister there and a brother there , their kids and then all the cousins and all the cousins . And do you all still get together at any regularity ? Is there a reunion plan ?

Mike Daniels 20:13

Well , my one aunt that was still alive . She actually organized a family reunion when my mom was still alive and some of the other aunts and that was nice .

Crista Cowan 20:22

But after that Nobody's taken up that mantle . No , no , does that I mean ? Is that okay , or ?

Mike Daniels 20:31

does it make you kind of sad ? I think we're missing some things because of it , but I wouldn't trade what we have , you know , for what we missed . Yeah , yeah .

Crista Cowan 20:38

Yeah . So , as you've raised your kids , you know you and Jane both have these strong Japanese identities , but you also have this connection to Hawaii , and so how do you , you know , how do you , or have you transmitted that to the next generation ?

Mike Daniels 20:53

So they've all been to Hawaii at least once if not twice or three times . And the younger generation a lot of them have been as well , and yeah , we've always been attached .

Mike Daniels 21:03

We go to the Polynesian festival every year . We have friends that are either from Hawaii or they're , you know , polynesian of some sorts . We get together with them . We've incorporated a lot of their foods into our lives . We did then , we do now . We make lau lau at home . We'll employ , we've made that . When we go back we always buy different kinds of Hawaiian foods and try it .

Crista Cowan 21:27

Tell me you don't eat spam .

Mike Daniels 21:29

I love spam . You and my dad . Spam is like oh , and this is an interesting thing . An interesting thing my son married one of the grandchildren or great-grandchildren of the guy that invented spam .

Crista Cowan 21:43

Stop it , yes .

Mike Daniels 21:46

That's amazing . Is that amazing ? We thought , yes , we're going to get free spam .

Crista Cowan 21:50

No free spam .

Mike Daniels 21:51

No free spam .

Crista Cowan 21:52

It's so fascinating to me , like Hawaii is such an interesting place I mentioned I've been there twice but looking into the families that I know from there and this like

Preserving Hawaiian heritage across generations

Crista Cowan 22:02

intercultural thing that happens right Like I have friends who aren't indigenous Hawaiian but also have family members who you know , grandmothers who were Japanese and the military made such a total change on the entire face of Hawaiian culture , and so for that to be part of her story as well is just fascinating to me . Yeah , and your dad's background like we didn't talk a lot about it , but that discovery that we made as we started digging into your . Your last name is Daniels , but it turns out probably not actually Daniels .

Mike Daniels 22:33

Right , as you discovered for me .

Crista Cowan 22:36

You knew you were Jewish , like you knew your dad was Jewish , but beyond that , like the problem getting beyond , that was the surname . I couldn't find it .

Mike Daniels 22:45

Yeah , I have no idea . I mean , there was Daniels and that was it .

Crista Cowan 22:48

Yeah .

Mike Daniels 22:49

And then I lost . I just couldn't connect it .

Crista Cowan 22:51

Yeah , and it's so interesting because I think in Jewish research one of the things we often discover with immigration , because I think in Jewish research one of the things we often discover with immigration , particularly from those Eastern European countries into the United States , is that assimilation desire . And so Danielewicz became Daniels , probably in a desire to assimilate from Lithuanian Jewish to Massachusetts .

Mike Daniels 23:13

Got a good memory .

Crista Cowan 23:14

Yeah , well , it was an impactful story , I think , because for all of my experience in Jewish immigration research , that was probably one of the first name change cases I had really come across and now it's so prevalent in all the research that I do . But I was thinking about that , knowing I was going to talk to you today , and I was thinking about , like that we don't see that with the Japanese culture , right , like this is such a different experience , like we have these Lithuanian Jews coming to the United States and changing their names and trying to assimilate and they're not just changing their last names . In some cases they're changing , you know , I think . Let's see if I can remember this Is it Moishe became Morris or Max ? Yeah , morris , is it Moishe ?

Mike Daniels 23:56

became Morris or Max . Yeah , Morris .

Crista Cowan 23:57

Okay , they changed their entire identity in some cases in order to fit in , and Japanese , in coming into Hawaii , tended to maintain their culture and keep that identity , and even to the point of your grandfather not wanting your mom to marry your dad . So it's just fascinating to me the way different cultures manage to navigate those different spaces when they come into them , and Hawaii is such a microcosm of that .

Mike Daniels 24:28

Yeah , it is .

Crista Cowan 24:31

You know the story of your grandparents' immigration to Hawaii , but have you been able to trace further back into Japan ?

Mike Daniels 24:36

So no , because the records , because of the war , the records all got destroyed . And so really what ? They have are town records up until a certain date . Like the war , yeah .

Mike Daniels 24:48

But if you go back and visit family homes and whatnot , you'll see photographs of people up on the walls from prior generations . So some of it got saved . We were back in Okinawa two years ago for Janeside and that's exactly what we found . We found these pictures on the walls . They're kind of like the corner of the wall up there and you look at them and they just they're they're family members of parents , grandparents , great-grandparents from those generations before wow .

Crista Cowan 25:24

Yeah , that's amazing because I think so many of us crave photos and so for that to be the preservation method there is is fascinating , yeah wow , open my eyes as you think about kind of your connection to hawaii and the family you still have there , like what does it , what does it mean to you to be able to say

Peace through cultural understanding

Crista Cowan 25:42

that I'm Hawaiian ?

Mike Daniels 25:43

Well , you know , growing up in Hawaii , I can say that I've met a lot of different cultures from all over the world , because it is a melting pot and it's really possible for people to live together in peace . A place where you can live together in peace , even if it's really possible for people to live together in peace , A place where you can live together in peace even if it's the afterbirth of a war a terrible war , but you can live side by side , you can get to know others , you can maybe appreciate and respect their background and their culture .

Mike Daniels 26:14

You start to adopt the food and , before you know it , customs and things are interchanged . I think that's really helped me in my career and also in life , being here and , you know , getting to know people in my community getting elected to be the mayor ?

Crista Cowan 26:31

Yeah , that's amazing , and I think that's a tribute to Hawaii and the resilience of that place as well . Yeah , thank you , thank you .

Mike Daniels 26:39

Thank you , it was good to see you . It was good to see you , Crista .